In cryptography, a key derivation function (or KDF) derives one or more secret keys from a secret value such as a master key or other known information such as a password or passphrase using a pseudo-random function. Keyed cryptographic hash functions are popular examples of pseudo-random functions ...

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Does a stream cipher require a KDF when it's key is variable length?

RC4 has a variable length key. Is it still necessary to use a key derivation function, such as PBKDF2, to initialize it? Would using a single character password weaken it's output when compared to a ...
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Simple RC4 key generation scheme

I would like to ask you about your opinion on the following scheme of combining a master key and a nonce and stretching the result to the full 256-bytes RC4 key. Master key $K_m$ is a pre-shared ...
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Reason(s) for using a KDF for encryption keys

Assuming I already have a 256-key (32 char password) for AES encryption, comprised of random alpha-numeric characters and punctuation (95 possible ascii chars), generated by a decent PRNG, is there ...
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Is it true that 7zip doesn't use any salt with its KDF?

This issue claims that 7zip does not use any salt with its key derivation function: https://github.com/magnumripper/JohnTheRipper/issues/1679 If that's true, wouldn't that mean you can crack multiple ...
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KDF with low-entropy salts

I need to derive a key from a username and a password. These are the only two things I have access to. What I thought is using PBKDF2 with username as the salt and password as the master password. ...
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Faster alternative to HKDF

HKDF is used in one of my projects to derive separate keys from a common master key. But profiling has shown it to be the performance bottleneck under certain circumstances. Is there any faster ...
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Is this a plausible PBKDF?

Background: Hello, I'm working on a hobby project in which I might want to implement a key derivation function within a somewhat resource limited embedded system. For standard crypto functions, I ...
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KDF followed by a Hash?

It is my understanding that a KDF adds entropy, whereas a hash loses information. I've read that KDF should be used to store passwords. I don't understand why we don't use a KDF and then a hash, so ...
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Encryption Key derivation from numeric PIN?

I want to store data encrypted within an Android application. Keeping an encryption key safe outside the app is not an option so I looked into password derived key algorithms. I found a nice example ...
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What's the most secure way to derive a key from a password repeatably?

I'm trying to write a cloud storage application where everything the user uploads is unreadable by the server, encrypted client-side before being sent. Currently, the flow looks like this: User ...
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Key derivation from a random seed

The main problem is to use a block cipher to generate a random key. I would like to generate 256-bits key which can be as random as possible. I generate it in the following way: Pick a plaintext ...
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Entropy Loss of KDFs

Am I losing any entropy when using KDFs, such as the ones in NIST Special Publication 800-108? For example, can I derive 128-bit session keys from a (uniformly random) 128-bit master key?
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NMaster key from n secret key

I have to derive master key from N secret key. With the help of master key, i can collect all the secret keys which is used to derive master key. key1, key2,..keyN ==> single master key and single ...
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Memory hardness of key derivation function through XOR-ring multiple matrix values

For theoretical purposes in order to enhance my own understanding, and NOT in order to create my own cryptography, I am asking a question about the memory-hardness of a key derivation function ...
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Can Pseudorandom values be used as secure keys?

I want to derive $n$ keys from a master key. I pick a master key $mk$ and use pseudo-random function (PRF) to generate $n$ pseudo-random values, $v_i=PRF(mk,i)$ where $1\leq i \leq n$. Next, I use ...
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Using PBKDF2 twice with different argument order

I'm pretty sure this is a really bad approach (in theory), but one of my clients is doing this and I was wondering… How bad it is to perform pbkdf-2 in this way (with 2000 iterations)? ...
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Best way to get 32 bytes from PBKDF2

Use the PBKDF2 output as an HMAC key, hashing two different inputs - once for 20 bytes and once for 12 : ...
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What is the GnuPG process for going from a passphrase to a symmetric key?

Suppose I use GnuPG to symmetrically encrypt a file like so: gpg --no-options -c --cipher-algo AES256 --no-random-seed-file -o my.out my.file I then provide a ...
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RSA key pair generation using PRNG with same seed

I see a lot of Q/A where persons are trying to generate a specific key pair using static data such as a password. Now say we use a known PRNG (dangerous assumption), seeded with a the data as a static ...
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Is it OK to use a data-encryption key for key wrapping, too?

Our industry (area of cheap networked devices) has a standard that defines the usage of keys for both authentication and encryption using EAX mode of AES. This standard does not define key management, ...
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Recovering state of modified RC4 key scheduling algorithm

Consider this algorithm: ...
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How is a group element converted into a key?

I've only just started research on cryptography so I apologize if this is a basic question or I'm getting terms confused. I'm researching braid group cryptography and currently looking at the ...
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Software interface for KDF and PBKDF?

I'm working on an implementation of Krawczyk and Eronen HKDF from RFC 5869. From Krawczyk's original paper, he identifies four inputs to a KDF in Cryptographic Extraction and Key Derivation: The HKDF ...
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Is it safe to derive two different keys with the same password and key derivation function using two different salts?

I would like to know if the following process would harm the security of a fictional system if the persisted data would be stolen: in this system a user has a single password. The password will be ...
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Asymmetric key derivation – Who derives the new pub key can't know the new private key

I'm looking for a peer reviewed protocol or algorithm that can do this, preferentially I need something based on elliptic-curves cryptography. Alice know the main public key of Bob (B-PUB-1). Alice ...
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Derive a public EC key from two public EC keys

Alice has two EC key pairs: $a_1$, $a_2$ are private keys (integers), $A_1$, $A_2$ are the corresponding public keys (points). Alice and Bob want to create a new public key $C$. Alice must prove that ...
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Group membership with unique anonymous claims

Is it possible to accomplish the following scheme? There is a Server (S) and many clients. Each client enrolls with S, exposing its real identity; S saves the real identity information in its ...
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Why is Bcrypt called a Key Derivation Function?

I am trying to understand why is bcrypt called a Key Derivation Function? I looked up the details of Ekfblowfish on Usenix article here: ...
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Practical benefit of using a KDF?

I see that KDFs should be used in systems that rely on PSKs, but what practical benefit does it provide? For instance, suppose the system relies on a shared secret for AES encryption and decryption. ...
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Encrypt-then-MAC: full random keys or keys derived from master key?

I have this scenario where I use Encrypt-then-MAC (AES256-CBC and HMAC-SHA256) with keys generated by a CSPRNG (specifically, SecureRandom in Java). I'd like to know which is better: Use the CSPRNG ...
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Can I dynamically calculate an appropriate number of iterations for PBKDF2 based on the system time, rather than using a fixed value?

Could you choose the number of PBKDF2 iterations based upon the system time? I've heard a few people recommend that the number of iterations for PBKDF2 should be doubled every two years (starting ...
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How to generate successive stream-cipher keys?

I've identified a weakness in a distributed simulation system I'm looking at, and I'm looking for some advice on how to fix it. Clients initially negotiate an authentication token with a login server ...
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Is the salt used with PBKDF2 secret?

I have two network endpoints that need to use the same derived key. Can the server send the salt to the client 'in the clear'?
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Is it safe to salt a MAC?

Say that I define a scheme where the salt is public and is MAC-ed with the message: $k = KDF(password, salt)$ $tag = MAC_k(salt || message)$ Is it safe to salt the MAC this way? Assume that the salt ...
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Can a EC private key be derived from a public key?

I understand that the public key does not expose the private key. That is not the question. The question is: Given a EC public key, can a different, but plausible and functional private key be ...
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How is HKDF-Expand better than a simple hash?

Why do we need HKDF-Expand if we can simply hash the pseudorandom key to make it longer? The docs (in the link) say: The second stage "expands" the pseudorandom key to the desired length... ...
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Master keys for decrypting?

I'm not a Cryptography expert, but i've seen this topic sometimes on the Web: Master decrypt keys. Most of the people said that "Master decrypt key" does not exist. This makes sense if you developed ...
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Obtain 384 bits from a 256bit MasterSecret

I'm currently implementing, with crypto++, and AES tranmsission system, whose key is based on a previous ...
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Deterministically generate a RSA public/private key pair from a passphrase (with sufficient entropy)?

Is it possible to deterministically generate public/private RSA key pairs from passphrases? Would giving the (key generating) algorithm data made from key-stretching the passphrase (instead of a ...
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RSA key length choice for TLS when confidentiality not important?

I've a couple of questions about this, the scenario is embedding a key pair in a hardware device which will speak with other hardware devices over tls. computing resources are an issue so i want to ...
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Proof of shared secret through key derivation

Alice gives a random key $K$ (e.g. 32 bytes long) to Bob through a secure channel. Bob want to prove to Alice through an unsecured channel that he knows the key. Is it secure for Bob to send ...
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Generate key pair deterministically from a particular seed [duplicate]

I've been reading "SQRL Secure QR Login" at Gibson's website, and I'm wondering if there is a way to generate an RSA private/public key-pair based on some cryptographically secure input, so that if ...
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How can I accomplish Key Derivation in JavaScript?

I need to take a potentially weak user password and derive a strong key for AES encryption in JavaScript. How can I do this? I expect the hardest problem is generating a good random salt - perhaps an ...
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Is a PBKDF2-derived master key easier cracked if very many Data Protection Keys are derived from it?

I'm referring the NIST document about PBKDF2, NIST Special Publication 800-132, Recommendation for Password-Based Key Derivation, Part 1: Storage Applications, Page 8 and 9, section 5.4 Using the ...
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What information to include is the 'info' input for HKDF?

The RFC states the following: 3.2. The 'info' Input to HKDF While the 'info' value is optional in the definition of HKDF, it is often of great importance in applications. Its main ...
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What are the safe ways to derive HMAC key using block cipher?

Suppose we have a state of block cipher initialized with some key unknown to us, that is, we have the state after running key schedule, but we have no access to actual key or subkeys, all we can do is ...
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Key Derivation Function (KDF): Can a key derived from KDF be considered as a secure key?

Consider a case where we have a master key MS that is used in pseudo-random function to generate a set of pseudo-random values. Then we use key derivation function to derive a key from each of ...
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Memory hard key derivation (password hash) using AES encryption

I am restricted on a certain environment involving PHP and am currently unable to implement new memory hard hashes such as scrypt (and I am not trying to compete with the likes of scrypt). My ...
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How to derive a symmetric key from ECDH shared secret?

I am trying to implement the internal primitives of ECDH. Currently I'm able to multiply the receiver's public EC point with the sender's private key to arrive at the shared EC point. Next step is to ...
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Does key derivation with known parameters add any security?

First up: this is a question about a concept that I try to wrap my head around; it is not about the specific implementation. Anyway… I have the following scenario (simplified to show the problem I ...