As title, is this a safe deterministic encryption to use the second block of plaintext as IV, and encrypt with CBC mode?

I am sure that the second block used as IV is different than the first block for each record, so there won't be an "all zeros" problem.

  • $\begingroup$ How would you decrypt the ciphertext without exposing the plaintext block used as an IV? $\endgroup$
    – knbk
    Apr 25, 2017 at 9:36
  • $\begingroup$ I use the second block as IV, so the decrypt function will be hard-coded that the second block will be used as IV to decrypt. $\endgroup$
    – Bobo Liao
    Apr 25, 2017 at 9:42
  • $\begingroup$ @BoboLiao And how do you want to decrypt the second block? $\endgroup$ Apr 25, 2017 at 9:43
  • $\begingroup$ @BoboLiao Not if you don't have the IV. $\endgroup$
    – Elias
    Apr 25, 2017 at 9:59
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    $\begingroup$ the plaintext of 2nd block = Decrypt(key, ciphertext of 2nd block) Xor ciphertext of 1st block?? Or is my understanding about the CBC mode wrong? $\endgroup$
    – Bobo Liao
    Apr 25, 2017 at 10:02

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No, you should not do that. Any time you encrypt a message with CBC you should use a new, random IV and send it together with the ciphertext. Don't encrypt the IV after usage.

The IV for CBC mode has to be unpredictable. That means you can't reuse an IV and you should not take any already used value from elsewhere. That was the problem of TLS with the BEAST attack, you maybe have heard of it. As soon as an attacker can make any statements about the IV there could be a serious security problem with your scheme.

IVs are also used to make the encryption more random - with your scheme, your IV only depends on your message, so the ciphertext is always the same when the message is the same. We mostly don't want that because it would show an attacker that we are sending the same message again.


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