For example, for a randomly generated password of 28 lowercase letters, which is about 128 bits of entropy, how would adding a space after every four characters affect it?

ijax jndd kcsw zovc rpbn qqiw aqyb
  • $\begingroup$ Good question, but just consider that a password of "ijax jndd kcsw zovc rpbn qqiw aqyb" has a lot less entropy than you think because the user will have to write it down on a Post-it and stick it to the VDU. See key derivation functions. $\endgroup$
    – Paul Uszak
    Commented Sep 4, 2021 at 23:21
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    $\begingroup$ @PaulUszak it is not clear what notion of entropy you are discussing, but it does not appear to be Shannon entropy. $\endgroup$
    – Mark Schultz-Wu
    Commented Sep 4, 2021 at 23:52
  • $\begingroup$ @Mark You're right. It's common sense entropy I guess. Both GCHQ and NIST now suggest avoiding password complexity in favour of things like "running rats rainbows". It's been dropped from 800-90b too. That way you don't need to stick it to the terminal. $\endgroup$
    – Paul Uszak
    Commented Sep 4, 2021 at 23:59
  • $\begingroup$ @PaulUszak I agree systems like that (explicitly tools like diceware) are better to memorize a (master) password, and you should use a password manager for your other passwords. But this question also has a formal mathematical answer --- $H(X) = H(f(X))$ for any discrete distribution $X$, and any (injective) function $f$. The discussed encoding is injective, so cannot decrease entropy. $\endgroup$
    – Mark Schultz-Wu
    Commented Sep 5, 2021 at 0:02

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Adding characters to an existing password in such a fixed and known way does not alter its entropy as long as everything else remains the same.

In your specific case, adding a space every four characters can be seen as purely formatting to make passwords more readable.

Should an attacker not know about the formatting, the password just became six characters longer (and harder to brute force). If the attacker knows about the formatting they are back to brute forcing the password in a ~128 bit search space.

Small note: you could make the spacing a display property only (this might be doable with a web interface, difficult with a terminal).


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